Wednesday, 09 July 2008

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    O Taste and See: Chocolate, Music, and the Existence of God

    I have a friend who has no sense of taste.  I don’t mean that she’s un-cultured; in fact, her preferences in art and music are quite sophisticated.  I mean that when she puts food in her mouth, she doesn’t taste a thing.  It’s not a terribly disabling handicap, as handicaps go; she still gets all the nutrition she needs and leads a perfectly healthy and active life.  It’s just that, to her, there’s no real difference between eating wedding cake and eating tofu.

    So here’s the question: How would you go about describing to this person exactly how chocolate tastes?

    You could write something, maybe a descriptive sensuous sort of poem, or maybe a detailed technical analysis of how the chemicals in chocolate interact with the pleasure centers of the brain.  Maybe if you’re musically inclined you could write a tune that depicts what it feels like to eat chocolate.  (J. S. Bach once wrote a hilarious “Coffee Cantata,” so this is actually not too farfetched.)  You could copy those splendid sequences from the film Ratatouille where a surrealistic montage of color represents Remy’s emotional response to the flavors of food.  You’d probably come closest by letting her smell a Hershey bar, but even that just isn’t the same as tasting it.

    Until we stop and think about it, we don’t realize how much our perception is limited to our senses.  There’s really only one or two ways to perceive most of the things around us.  You can’t smell a sunset, see a symphony, touch a flavor, or hear the scent of a rose.  If it wasn’t that we happened to have the right senses to experience these things, more than likely we’d never know they exist. 

    Imagine having no sense of smell and being told that a rose has the most beautiful scent in the world.  You put it to your nose and inhale.  You can’t smell a thing.  “What are you talking about?” you say.  “There’s nothing there.”  “What do you mean?” says your friend, sniffing the rose herself.  “It’s the most wonderful thing I’ve ever smelled.”  “But I can’t smell anything…”

    Logically, there are two choices: 1) There is nothing there, and your friend is creating her own delusional alternate reality, or 2) There is something there, but you lack the proper capacity to perceive it.

    Hopefully, for the case of the flower, you’d eventually go with the second.  We all know that our senses can be limited.  Even when our senses are perfectly healthy and functional, they’re still surprisingly narrow.  We all know about light that is “beyond the visible spectrum”, or the famous “whistle only dogs can hear.”  There are even some animals that have senses we know nothing about.  We know of eels that can locate other objects by their electrical field, birds and fish that can navigate the world with their own internal GPS.  It’s perfectly natural, even though it seems to us like a superpower.

    If we think it through, and if we’re honest, we have to admit that there could be any number of things out there that exist, but that we simply lack the capacity to perceive with our senses.  Our senses aren’t exhaustive guides to the reality even of things we know about.  

    I think this is where many of our discussions on “the existence of God” miss the mark.  “Where’s the evidence that God exists?” an atheist or skeptic will ask.  Or, almost as common, “I would believe that God exists if I saw such-and-such, but I believe that is impossible.”  Christians then try to answer them on their own terms, and are often left fumbling for a good way to reply.

    For instance, I had a dialogue with an outspoken atheist a while back in which he said he would not believe in God unless God could tell him the exact number of check marks in a certain book on his shelf.  Presumably an omniscient God would indeed be capable of doing that if He wanted, but what if (I asked) God exists but simply has no interest in playing pick-a-number?  (He didn’t take that very well.)

    Here’s the thing.  What if someone said, “Where’s the evidence that the music of Beethoven exists?  Until I see a symphony, I won’t believe it’s real.”  Well then, that person is going to keep right on disbelieving in Beethoven, because your eyes are not the right way to perceive music.  You can watch the musicians perform, you can look at the score, you can even smell the fine antique wood of a musical instrument, but music itself belongs to the sense of hearing.  If you can’t hear, you’re left wondering what the fuss is about.

    It’s not that philosophy, or science, or the world around us offer evidence against the reality of God; I think there are plausible arguments to be made from any of them.  In the same way, you could argue to a deaf person that music exists because they can see that all those people with violins have to be doing something.  But that’s not the best way to make the point.  There’s a lot more than the visual presentation that goes into making music.

    So if our senses are insufficient, what’s the best way to find the reality of God?  A great saint, martyr, and devoutly spiritual man once wrote this (read it carefully):

    “But, as it is written,

        ‘What no eye has seen, nor ear heard,
            nor the heart of man imagined,
        what God has prepared for those who love him’––

    these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God.  For who knows a person’s thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.  Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God.  And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.  The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.”

    —2 Corinthians 2:9-14 ESV (italics mine)

    There’s so much in there that to examine it all would take a great deal of space (I also once used it in a sermon on “receiving the Holy Spirit”).  But his main points are simple: You can’t see, hear, or even imagine what God is like on your own, but God reveals this to us by means of the Holy Spirit.  (The “Holy Spirit” of course is God Himself, the third Person of the Trinity.)  Just like your own spirit best knows what is deepest within you, when you “receive the Holy Spirit,” you will understand who God is and what He is willing to do for you. 

    If you reject the Holy Spirit?  Well then, you’re like a person wearing ear plugs at a concert, a person with a blindfold at an art gallery, or my friend with no taste at a gourmet dinner.  You have no real way of perceiving what it’s all about.  It’s not that there’s no evidence for it; it’s that you’ve closed yourself off to the evidence, so no wonder you can’t see it.

    When we debate about God’s existence, far too often we are trying to settle a spiritual question on natural terms.  Surely that must suffer the same shortcomings as trying to describe a flavor in literary terms.  Oh, maybe it can be done.  Maybe it can even be done well.  But it can never be as good as letting that chocolate melt in your mouth.  Maybe that’s why the psalmist said…

    Oh, taste and see that the LORD is good!
    Blessed is the man who trusts in him!

    (Psalm 34:8)

Comments (13)

  • Good post!
    The just shall live by FAITH...
    Bee
  • Found your site through revelife comments... Just wanted to say that your post was very thought-provoking... in a good way! I've actually been thinking a lot about how much of our world is unseen and untouchable except through faith. It's not that it doesn't exist, it's just beyond what our human brains and bodies can understand. :)

  • Pray for people that know the HOLY Spirit  They can be the most messed up people I have ever met
  • I had to laugh when I realized I know you (through our mutual friend Marra A.) after clicking through to your site off of the Revelife featured page. Your post is so beautifully written and well put. Brilliant! I have always loved that verse... taste and see that the Lord is good.
  • That is my friend Peter's life verse... he's a chef!!!    very interesting post
  • Thanks for commenting! Yes, that is true, I have only heard good things about missions. I guess I am scared because I am timid by nature, and I'm not so great at communicating things. I know that if I am called to go, then God will give me the strength I need. Like when God called Moses to lead the Israelites out of Egypt, He gave Moses everything he needed for the task, even though he never thought in a million years he could do it.
  • You are placing the reality of God in the writings of man. Man is flawed and has limited knowledge.


    Let’s just be generous and say that man knows 1 percent of everything that there is to know. How can we place such emphasis on stating that the Christian god is the true god if there is 99% of all knowledge that we don’t know. Who is to say that because of our limited knowledge and brain capacity, there isn’t something, that isn’t a god, that we cant grasp, out there in the 99 % of knowledge that we don’t know. The bible was written by men with limited knowledge. Man is a flawed and destructive race. Man is limited as you said. We truly do not know if god exists, because we are such a mediocre race, with such limited knowledge of things. Are we egocentric to believe that a god, out of all the planets, nebular,  galaxies, and so on, would take the time, to create us in his image, and send his ONLY SON to our (a grain of sand on a beach) planet, to be sacrificed and humiliated, by an incompetent, superficial, destructive, egocentric race?  How is it that a all powerful god wouldn’t come up with another way to be the “bridge” to get into heaven? Why is it that a god, out of all the planets and creatures of space, would take the time to even think about us? Why would he create a heaven for such an impure and flawed race? Because he loves us? Love is the action/feeling labeled by man, who has less than 1% of all knowledge. We make out god to be an emotional being, but once again, emotion is limited recognized by man. Perhaps the only things that our simple minds can come up with as to how the earth was created, is to place a name to it, such as god. Perhaps there is something else out there that we haven’t been able to come up with, haven’t found, or just cant grasp with our simple minds. These are all assumptions of course.  

  • @morbidxshadows - I'm not sure where the disagreement is. Even the passage of Scripture I quote says outright that our minds are not enough to fully comprehend God, so that's partly my point. But I don't fully understand music either (even though I have a degree in it!) yet that doesn't stop me from playing the piano. It's quite possible to acknowledge something's existence and have a deep personal connection with it even though we don't fully understand it! (My wife, for example... )

    As for the rest-- you should read some of the other posts I linked, especially the ones called "Bugaboos" and "Person C." Also, recall Jesus' parable of the lost sheep-- the shepherd left the ninety-nine safe while he went to rescue the one, simply because it was the only one that had gotten itself lost. We certainly don't know that we're the only beings God's interested in; even the biblical evidence seems to point against that (though that quickly becomes speculative). Again, even if we can't understand why He did, it doesn't disprove that He did. Have you read much C. S. Lewis? I think you'd enjoy him.

  • The point that I am making, is that the bible is man made. You are placing so much emphasis on a man made book and (please don’t take offence to this) the way that I seem to see it, is that by you stating that it is there we just cant see it due to our limited senses, seems to me that you are merely just making an excuse as to why God isn’t cannot be found. With a rose, you may not be able to smell the flower but you can see it. With the lack of taste buds, you cant taste the food, but still feel it. A deaf person may not be able to hear the music, but they can feel the vibrations through the instrument, and see the instrument. Where is god in our senses? Although limited, it is how we believe in and of things.


    Now to the point that I was trying to make about our limited knowledge. In the limited knowledge that we have, we try to place a name to what we don’t understand: “God.”    It is almost as though people use the theory of god to help them come up with some sort of conclusion to as we came about, to never feel like we are alone, that we are eternally loved and accepted by a Great Being, and that after we die (Which many sadly fear death) we will be in paradise for all of eternity. So in the small amount of knowledge we have, we place the label of god as a crutch, for explaining the unexplainable, and to help alleviate many emotion driven fears.  


     Leaving the bible out of it, where is god? If he is so true, than He should be found else where outside of the bible, and not limited to the pages of a book and faith. Because the book is man made, and there is no scientific evidence that proves the existence of god, are you following a faith blindly and making excuses for the intangible conclusions?

  • @morbidxshadows - I do see your point, but I'm still not sure if you've seen mine. Actually, one of the points of the Scripture I quote is that merely looking at the Bible just by itself is not enough to show the reality of God! Even Jesus said the same thing; have you read my post on that one yet?

    Rather, there is a spiritual dimension to us and to God where we can perceive Him. It's not that God can't be perceived but that He is most clearly perceived spiritually. Ignore that kind of perception and you'll likely miss Him; be open to it and you might be in for a surprise. The clearest thing I've read on the subject is an article called Learning to Think Spiritually (not by me, but by a person who was an atheist for twenty years). A bit long but worth it.

  • @Pass_the_Aura - What do you personally see as "spiritually." I believe that your and my definitions are very different.

  • and no i havent read it yet, but i will read more tonight

  • @morbidxshadows - I'm thinking the definition in the article I linked will suit you a bit better than anything I can come up with off the top of my head. Anyway, I think it's much better (and easier) experienced than defined-- again like music. If you've ever forgiven or been forgiven, felt compassion, been upset over injustice, or enjoyed really good music, you've experienced something very much like what I mean by "spiritual."

    Tell you what; why don't you read that article and a few of my other posts where I explain these things. Then if it's still not clear what I think and why, I can try clarifying some more. (Your question was what I specifically believe, after all.) Good?

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